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 Post subject: Re: Do believe in god?
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i read it but to me it just dosnt make since.


I think it means that generally, the human experience or life as we know it is meaningless or absurd.

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Did I get it right? Does that mean that existentialists believe that this world/universe was just an accident? A collision of particles that just so happened to accidentally result in the forming of the universe/galaxy/planet and an atmosphere that can sustain life?

So now I am wondering... If the universe did in fact result from a "big bang", where did the original particles come from? Did those particles just exist? Or did somebody create those particles?
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GoW2 wrote:
I think it means that generally, the human experience or life as we know it is meaningless or absurd.

@Unromantic
Did I get it right? Does that mean that existentialists believe that this world/universe was just an accident? A collision of particles that just so happened to accidentally result in the forming of the universe/galaxy/planet and an atmosphere that can sustain life?

So now I am wondering... If the universe did in fact result from a "big bang", where did the original particles come from? Did those particles just exist? Or did somebody create those particles?
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Close [smile.gif]. The idea that morals and truth of existence is meaningless, and life (as well as all tangible matter) was created by random chance is called Nihilism. Nihilism and Existentialism are closely related, however Existentialism places an emphasis on thought and emotion which distinguishes it from the former. The thinker himself gives the world around him value. The keyboard I'm typing on is valuable to me because I want it to be. I make choices because they are what I believe to be "good", not what a religion or prophet has defined as good. There are a lot of subclasses to Existentialism, ranging from borderline Hedonism to borderline Humanism.

_____I am on the Humanist side. I make decisions and choose my actions based on what I believe to be good for the betterment of intelligence, in our case, humans. Intelligence is the single most important aspect of the universe, bar none. And that, you can not argue with, regardless of your religious views. Without intelligence, it is just a random collection of molecules. A rock isn't defined as a rock until intelligence says so. It's just a collection of chemicals with no value, direction, purpose, no anything. It is just there. My morals are near parallel with Christianity on many levels, with slight variation of course. The only difference is that I follow them for the sake of intelligence and humankind, while Christianity follows them for the sake of personal reward.

_____Regarding your question about the Big Bang, the Standard Model of the universe (known as just the Standard Model) predicts the existence of the Higg's Boson. Unfortunately, there is no experimental evidence to support this prediction, and may very well be a fluke in mathematical logic. I'm sure you've heard of the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) which will be the first true test of the existence of the particle. If the results come back confirming the Model, it will provide solid evidence about how massless elementary particles (there are sixteen of them if I recall correctly, and fall into three categories; quarks, leptons and gauge bosons) can interact to cause matter to have mass.

_____This, of course, would support the basic level of String Theory, the current leading candidate for the Theory of Everything. I am not going to explain the inner concepts of String Theory, it is really long and complex. The basic gist of it is the idea of oscillating, one dimensional lines(or even surfaces, depending on which branch of the theory you are following) that exist below the subatomic level. The fluctuations of the lines can describe all of the elementary particles. For example, if the line looked like this: __/--\_/- in it's vibration, it might be a gluon. (That is not the actual flux for a gluon, just a visual).

_____So, essentially, it may be possible for massless particles to produce matter WITH mass, and thus solving the "Well where did the matter come from before the Big Bang?" question. You'll just have to wait until late 2009 when the LHC reaches full power.


Whew that was a lot, I got a little carried away. Sorry! I hope I answered your question at least, GoW2. [biggrin.gif]

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i dont really pernounce this to my family but no i dont believe in a "God" firstly all these religions have different beliefs and i just think its all bullshit.the religions say all the others aren't the true god.plus i dont belief that there is a guy that can heal people with mistical powers.

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unromantic u have changed my life.
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_____So, essentially, it may be possible for massless particles to produce matter WITH mass, and thus solving the "Well where did the matter come from before the Big Bang?" question. You'll just have to wait until late 2009 when the LHC reaches full power.

Whew that was a lot, I got a little carried away. Sorry! I hope I answered your question at least, GoW2. [biggrin.gif]


Thanks for the explanation. It was very educational. [smile.gif]
Now I think I understand what your sig is about. String Theory and particles right? Before I used to wonder what that wavy line was about. [biggrin.gif]

I heard about String Theory before, and I thought it was an interesting topic. I've been thinking about reading The Elegant Universe: Superstrings, Hidden Dimensions, and the Quest for the Ultimate Theory and The Fabric of the Cosmos: Space, Time, and the Texture of Reality but I think it might be too much for me to comprehend at this time. I watched some brief videos about it on YouTube before. If String Theory is correct, then time travel might actually be possible eh?

BTW, did you study quantum physics? From your response, it seems that you are likely to be a graduate student (or possibly even doctorate) studying a mix of quantum physics and philosophy.

I think things are going to get really interesting when we find out the results of LHC experiment.


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BTW, did you study quantum physics? From your response, it seems that you are likely to be a graduate student (or possibly even doctorate) studying a mix of quantum physics and philosophy.

I think things are going to get really interesting when we find out the results of LHC experiment.

Haha yeah the quote is from Nietzsche, and the line is my take on quantum particles [tongue.gif] I can't wait until 2009, it could be one of the biggest discoveries or blunders in a very long time.

Also, as for me being a graduate student, I'm seventeen and in high school [biggrin.gif] . lol If I was going to go to college for something other than computer science, you're exactly right, I'd be studying as a theoretical physicist with a minor in philosophy.

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i believe in God. and i'm not gonna be like others and argue and push it on u. i'll just pray for u

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Sgt. Dillon wrote:
i believe in God. and i'm not gonna be like others and argue and push it on u. i'll just pray for u


That's great Dillon. [smile.gif] Out of curiosity, what denomination are you?


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Officially, I'm Catholic, although i'm more of an agnostic. So yes, I do. ^-^

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Sgt. Dillon wrote:
i believe in God. and i'm not gonna be like others and argue and push it on u. i'll just pray for u

=) Thank you Sgt.

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